"I never saw cancer in an un-vaccinated person."

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"I never saw cancer in an un-vaccinated person."
Hey Brainman, Still studing the immune system and cancer and ran upon this. They now know Vaccine's cause autism and parents are finally standing up but read about vaccines and brain cancer.

This is why I think the only real cure for cancer is natural supplements and fever. Also, I did not hestitate having my daughter put those supplements into my grandson's baby bottle and after two years, he was above normal in his health. YA! Anyway, since I cannot link yet, I put the whole article. Hope this is ok.

Vaccines and Immune Suppression

Vaccines, all vaccines, are immune suppressing; that is they depress our immune functions. The chemicals in the vaccines depress our immune system; the virus present depresses immune function, and the foreign DNA/RNA from animal tissues depresses immunity. Toraldo, et al found that the chemotaxis and metabolic function of PMNs (polymorphonuclear neutrophils) was significantly reduced after vaccinations were given and did not return to normal for months. Other indicators of immune system depression included reduced lymphocyte viability, neutrophil hyper-segmentation,

and a reduced white cell count. All vaccines are immune depressing to some extent and that is the trade-off we are risking. The medical thought is that we trade a small immune depression for an immunity to one disease. Now let me repeat, we are trading a total immune system depression (our only defense against all known disease - including millions of pathogens) for a temporary immunity against one disease, usually an innocuous childhood disease. Therefore, the trade is not at all fair. Mullins puts it this way, "Are we trading mumps and measles for cancer and AIDS."

The trade-off is not worth the risk. We are risking getting many more diseases than we are "preventing" from getting. [Later we will see that there is literally no prevention.] Another good example is the ritual of the yearly flu shot. There may be only two or three varieties of flu viruses in each shot, hence the names "Asian-Flu", "Japanese-Flu" "Indian-Flu" or "Swine-Flu". But there are literally thousands, may be millions of flu-causing viruses. Taking one or two does not make sense and many people report getting the flu after taking a flu shot. We do not know which variety of flu will affect us each year and in each locale. Therefore, the best method to avoid the flu is to strengthen our immune system by eating properly and getting all the essential vitamins and minerals that our body needs. Only nutrition can build and support a strong immune system, while vaccines help to tear our immunity down. Vaccines have been linked to AIDS and other immuno-deficient disorders as well.

Vaccinations depress our body's immune functions and that keeps us open to developing many other diseases. It is very childish to think that we are going to take one flu vaccine and never get sick from the many varieties of flu that exist, especially since viruses can mutate so fast when the conditions arise. Keeping up with these fast mutating viruses can only be done by priming our immune system with good nutrition and keeping the conditions/environment for their growth minimal. In other words, pathogenic viruses will not grow where the conditions will not allow it. It is the terrain which dictates our health and not the germs/viruses themselves. Germs are pleiomorphic, meaning that they can change with their environment; rods become cocci, and vice-versa. Thinking that germs cause disease means that we are not responsible for our own health and we place that responsibility in the hands of some one who has the means to kill these germs with toxic chemicals (drugs), even if those drugs/vaccines harm our body. Vaccines prevent health!

Vaccinations reduce our immunity in many important ways:

1) Vaccines contain many chemicals and heavy metals, like mercury and aluminum, which are in-themselves immuno-suppressing. Mercury actually causes changes in the lymphocyte activity and decreases lymphocyte viability.

2) Vaccines contain foreign tissues and foreign DNA/RNA which act to suppress the immune system via graft-vs-host rejection phenomena.

3) Vaccines alter our t-cell helper/suppressor ratios ... just like those seen with AIDS. This ratio is a key indicator of a proper functioning immune system.

4) Vaccines alter the metabolic activity of PMNs and reduce their chemotaxic abilities. PMNs are our body's defenses against pathogenic bacteria and viruses.

5) Vaccines suppress our immunity merely buy over-taxing our immune system with foreign material, heavy metals, pathogens and viruses. The heavy metals slow down our immune system, while the viruses set up shop to grow and divide. It is like being chained and handcuffed before swimming.

6) Vaccines clog our lymphatic system and lymph nodes with large protein molecules which have not been adequately broken down by our digestive processes, since vaccines by pass digestion with injections. This is why vaccines are linked to allergies, because they contain large proteins which as circulating immune complexes (CICs) or "klinkers" which cause our body to become allergic.

7) Vaccines deplete our body of vital immune-enhancing nutrients, like vitamin C, A and zinc, which are needed for a strong immune system. It is nutrients like these that primes our immune system, feeds the white blood cells and macrophages and allows them to function optimally.

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Vaccines are neurotoxic and slow the level of nervous transmission, and communications to the brain and other tissues. Now we know that some lymphocytes communicate directly with the brain through a complex set of neurotransmitters. Altering these factors will also depress our immunity.

4) Links of Vaccines to AIDS -

While the medical profession does not lightly discuss AIDS and vaccines in the same sentence, there is much evidence linking AIDS to vaccines. Buttram and Hoffman state, "Indirect immunofluorescence evaluation of T-lymphocytes from blood samples taken ... after vaccination revealed a temporary drop ... in the helper/suppressor ratio after vaccination." What that means is that immediately after vaccines are given our blood "looks" like the blood of and AIDS patient. AIDS is diagnosed when the T -cell (helper to suppressor) ratios are depressed and vaccines cause that same occurrence. Now is it any coincidence that the countries where AIDS is rampant most, are the same countries which received the most vaccinations? It is no joke when one asks, "Are we trading mumps and measles for cancer and AIDS?"

When we look into vaccine production we see the links of vaccines to monkey viruses, like SV-40, which causes immuno-deficiencies (similar to AIDS) in monkeys. Some scientists feel that SIV and HIV are very similar viruses and may be one in the same. If it is found in monkeys it is called SIV and if it is found in people it is then called HIV. Very likely, it is the foreign nature of SIV which makes it deadly to our immune system and our immune system goes on the blink. Vaccinations and AIDS are clearly related, and the medical literature shows us many links to AIDS. The first Hepatitis vaccines made were notorious for causing AIDS and were made from the blood of the gay populations, who had high levels of hepatitis and AIDS. Links of AIDS to the hepatitis vaccines were numerous in the medical literature at the time (the 1970s) of the first hepatitis vaccines and people were afraid to take them for that reason. Yes, one may fear hepatitis, but we also had a greater fear of AIDS, which was more deadly and serious a condition, although many more people experienced hepatitis each year.

Many other views of how vaccines started the AIDS epidemic are available, but none can be proven with any degree of certainty. Whether HIV is a disease similar to the SIV found in monkey, remains to be seen. Is SIV and HIV the same virus? Is SV-40 involved in immuno-suppression and immunodeficiency? There were reports of the smallpox vaccines delivered to Haiti, Brazil and Africa containing HIV by the London Times in 1987. Some persons have taken conspiratorial views of AIDS, but none have surfaced with any degree of veracity and it misses the point ... all vaccines are immuno-suppressive and compromise the host's immunity. Whether they contain actual HIV viruses may be disputable, they will depress the immune system. Today more care is taken in vaccine production and there are better methods of locating and removing contaminant viruses, but vaccines are still dangerous from their humble beginning and set the stage for many other diseases to follow suit many years later.

5) True Immunity: Where Does it Come From? Nutrition!

Science has glossed over the most valuable point of health, ... nutrition. What is it that boosts our immune system and gives one a vibrant healthy life? ... nutrition. What is it that allows one to over -come the most devastating diseases known to mankind? ... Nutrition. What is the key factor for the recovery of disease? ... Nutrition. What is needed for the body to heal itself? ... Nutrition. What key factor prevents disease? ... Nutrition. What is missing from allopathic medicine today? ... Nutrition! It is nutrition and only nutrition which boosts our immune system and helps the body defend itself from foreign pathogens. Herbs, foods, nutrients and vitamin supplements are the tour-de-force of our immunity and it is virtually ignored by medical science in favor of drugs (chemicals).

One can speculate many reasons why medical science has chosen to ignore this most important aspect of our health ... perhaps, because there is no profit in broccoli and carrots. But regardless of profit there is a side of science that altruistically searches for truth. Herbalists and naturopaths for centuries have cured devastating diseases with nature's remedies and proper diet. Medicine has shunned diet and nutrition (and herbs) as not having a place in scientific medicine. But the lowly herb can cure more than an equal share of allopathic man-made (synthetic) drugs which although originally came from many herbs are now toxic according to their dose and must be tightly regulated.

The divergent paths of allopathic medicine and herbal naturopathic remedies is seen in the philosophy of vaccination. Vaccines are the only way modern medicine has to "prevent" disease for they don't believe in or use herbs or nutrition. Therefore, toxic vaccines are their only tool to "promote health". Herbalists and naturopaths, on the other hand, see the person with a totally different point of view and understanding. The person is taught how to live with nature, how to eat naturally and how to not create the environment for pathogens to grow. When the body is periodically cleansed, disease is not a problem. Allopathy desires to force health by giving the body more toxins (vaccines) to deal with in a futile and erroneous attempt at "preventing" disease. Yet, vaccines cause illnesses, many diseases, numerous disorders and set the stage for cancerous grow while depressing our body's ability to fight off pathogens. Allopathy depresses important body functions, while making the body more toxic. Naturopathy helps the body eliminate toxins while supporting the body's immune functions.

Therefore, there are many points in which allopathic medicine and naturopathic medicine diverge and differ. Yet, the laws of our land only allow allopathic methods (vaccinations) of disease "prevention" and not other more effective and less damaging methods of prevention, i.e., homeopathy and naturopathy. Many religions refuse vaccines on religious grounds, because vaccines are contrary to their beliefs and vaccines are blood products grown on aborted fetuses and human and animal tissues. Vaccines grown on animal tissues, aborted fetuses, and cancer cells would be against anyone's fair judgement and common sense, regardless of religious beliefs. Therefore, it is common sense which mandates our opinions against putrid vaccines, as well as religious beliefs.

It is no secret anymore that proper nutrition builds good immunity, when the medical literature is full of studies on the intimate details of our immunity as related to nutrients. The fact that nutrition plays a large role in one's health (and immune functions) can no longer be suppressed by prejudice. The over-whelming science today substantiates nutrition as a key factor in our health. Nutrition boosts our immune system like nothing else can. Field stated, "it is accepted that nutrition is important in the development and function of the immune system." Harbige noted that "Nutrition and nutritional status can have profound effects on immune functions, resistance to infection and auto-immunity in man and other animals." Scrimshaw and SanGiovanni state that "infections, ... have adverse effects on nutritional status. ... Conversely, almost any nutrient deficiency, if sufficiently severe, will impair resistance to infection." Chandra (Am J Clin Nutrition, 1997; 66(2):460s-463s) also noted, "Nutrition is a critical determinant of immune responses and malnutrition is the most common cause of immunodeficiency worldwide." Chandra and Chandra (Prog Food Nutrition Sci, 1986;10(1-2):1-65) stated that "the immune system plays a key role in the body's ability to fight infection and reduce the risk of developing tumors, autoimmune and degenerative disease."

Yet, although this information is new to us now, it is not new to everyone. Many people have always maintained that a strong immune system began with good nutrition. Roger Williams, Linus Pauling, Ewan Cameron, Adelle Davis, John R Christopher, Jethro Kloss, and many other notable nutritionist have claimed nutrition was important to our health for many years, but were ignored. Profit of man-made chemicals came before the health of the patrons, many asked to suffer needlessly in the name of science when they could have been cured by a simple herbal remedy or a food. Nutrition has been down-played in the last 80 years in favor of patent-able drugs (man-made chemicals). Perhaps, the penicillin era was the greatest cause of the downfall of nutrition as a part of our health. The search for the magic bullet began with Paul Erlich's compound 606, and continues to this day. We think that cancer must be cured from without by a man-made chemical, while we ignore the inner terrain and the body's natural innate abilities (to heal) within ... governed, of course, by nutrition. Hopefully within the next decade great strides will be taken in nutrition and health to make up for lost time. Many physicians are learning nutrition and herbology and homeopathy on their own time. Their patients will be the better for it. As more nutritional oriented physicians become available, the people will have a choice and a place to turn to when in need. Nutrition Produces Health and Vitality! Vaccines Prevent Health!

6) Vaccines and Cancer -

"I never saw cancer in an un-vaccinated person."

Dr W B Clarke, circa 1909

We don't usually associate vaccinations with cancer, but there are many citations in the medial literature where vaccines caused cancers. Sometimes cancer occurred at the site of injection and sometimes a lymphatic type of cancer would occur many years later in locations. Vaccines cause cancer. Yes, not everybody gets cancer after receiving a vaccine, but their body has been seeded with the ingredients for cancer to grow. Picture cancer as a window of opportunity. Once that window is opened, cancer can grow. Dr Vincent's work with Biologic Terrain Assessment (BTA) found that all children were pushed into the cancer "window" after vaccines were given. Now those children who don't develop cancer were (obviously) able to negate that cancer "window" with good nutrition. It is the environment which allows cancer to grow in the first place, and vaccines create that environment. When the cancer is at the site of the vaccine injection, it is hard to deny a causal relationship. Miraculously, doctors tell their patients it is co-incidental or unrelated to the vaccines.

Yet, it was known in the 1800s that vaccines clog our lymphatics and contain toxic materials which could lead to disease, even cancers. Even Jenner himself had trouble with his vaccines causing diseases, and death. He was nearly lynched in one town for his specious concoctions. Our lymphatic system is designed to carry our lymphocytes throughout our body and maintain control over our cellular immunity. Therefore, the injection of large molecular sized proteins (foreign tissues in the vaccines) will clog our lymph-nodes and create problems for the lymphatic system. Therefore, it is no mystery that vaccines and lymphatic diseases, like leukemias and lymphomas, are related.

"Syphilis, phthisis, scrofula, cancer, erysipelas and almost all diseases of the skin, have been conveyed, occasioned, or intensified by vaccination." Dr William Hitchman

"Cancer and other vile diseases are daily inflicted on virtuous families by vaccination."

Dr Edward Haughton, BAMD, MRCS

"Experts say 98 million Americans who took polio shots in the 1950s and 1960s may get a deadly brain cancer from the inoculations ... Researchers at the University of Chicago Medical Center say that a virus contaminated the polio vaccine and they have now found genetic material from the virus in a number of brain cancer victims."

Dr Jacob Rachlin quoted from Weekly World News of Lantana [FL]

Of course, anything which depresses our immunity will eventually lead to cancer, since it is our immune system which cleanses and eliminates mutated (cancerous) cells from our body daily. If this is not done, cancers will grow and develop unchecked by our immune system. Therefore, a healthy immune system is needed to protect us from cancer and Vaccines Prevent Health.

Vaccines and Auto-Immune Disease - [The injection of foreign animal DNA/RNA.]

Auto-immune disease is common-place today, but were very rare just a few years ago. Does anybody wonder why one day we are healthy and the next day our body no longer recognizes our own cells as self? Could the injection of foreign animal DNA/RNA have anything to do with our epidemic rise in auto-immune disease today? Bart Classen, MD has done some remarkable research on vaccines and auto-immune diseases, especially Diabetes mellitus, which he sees as a marker disease for all auto-immune conditions. His research finds that the more that vaccinations are given the more diabetes (and auto-immune diseases) appears. Dr Classen's research found that this held true for many animal models; after receiving vaccines they experienced increases in diabetes. Then he carried his research to include vaccinated human populations. He found that in retrospective studies of vaccinations in five different human populations, this fact held true also. The more vaccines one received the more was their incidence of diabetes (and auto-immune diseases).

Now it is interesting that the increases in diabetes included Juvenile-onset diabetes, which we are told today is a profoundly "genetic" disease. Yet, Dr Claussen's studies revealed that vaccinations [any vaccination] can cause increases in Juvenile-onset diabetes, too. Now one theory said that the antigenic structure of the measles/mumps virus was similar to the antigenic structure of the beta cells (which produce insulin) in the pancreas. So when our body makes antibodies to fight off measles virus, those antibodies attack the pancreatic beta cells, too. Viola diabetes!

Vaccines create the foundations for auto-immune disease when foreign animal tissues are injected into our blood streams. It alters our genes ("jumping" genes) and creates havoc in our lymphatic system. Auto-immune conditions are more common today than before massive vaccination programs began in the 1940s. Auto-immune conditions such as ALS, MS, RA, and Diabetes are severe diseases and not to be taken lightly. They alter people's lives for ever and cost more than money when we consider the time involved, the stress involved, and eventually death ensues. There is even some speculation that auto-immune conditions may be behind the brain conditions they see in autism and there is some talk in the medical literature of auto-immunity to brain cells. If the body can not even recognize its own cells, then it has been tricked into thinking that those cells are no longer self. Why does this occur? Could AIDS be an auto-immune condition where the lymphocytes are reacting against each other? What about the myriad of neurological disorders, kidney disorders, blood disorders and the many diseases associated with vaccinations? When we are looking for excellent health, we need to avoid auto-immune disorders. One must remember that Vaccines Prevent Health!

[Note: Dr Classen feels that Diabetes is an indicator (marker) disease for auto-immunity.

brainman

DANGEROUS POST!!!!

You are encouraging people to avoid being vaccinated! The danger is much greater of an unvaccinated public getting a deadly infection that of a vaccinated public getting cancer. Infects like smallpox have wiped out large numbers of people before vaccines became available.

florist, please refrain from "publishing" one-sided and dangerous information.
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I do so agree - this claim is alarmist and scaremongering, and patently untrue. It should be read with a very large grain of salt.

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But the words I quoted were made by a scientist after research. If you read closely, you will see.

But also, more and more parents are getting involved in their children's health and just type in autism and you will learn what I have know for years.

Also, it does surprise me, as long as this cancer web site has been up that more posts have not been made about chemicals. It is up to people what they decide to research and who they decide to believe. In fact, it has taken years for the research to come to light - thanks to the internet.

I have only been posting research. Remember I am the florist.

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and more facts.

A Smallpox outbreak: What to do

by Sherri Tenpenny, DO
July 7, 2002
© 2002

“We interrupt the current programming to bring you this important news update…there has been a reported case of smallpox in Washington, D.C…”

What will happen next?

Pandemonium.

The press has done its job over the last few months reinforcing the belief that an epidemic is about to occur, potentially causing millions of deaths. Americans thousands of miles from Washington will demand the smallpox vaccine, a vaccine with the highest risk of complications of any vaccine ever manufactured and with a dubious track record for success.

However, because you are informed, you will have a different response. You will not panic. You will turn off the TV. You won’t listen to your hysterical neighbors. And more importantly, you won’t rush to be vaccinated. Here’s why:
On June 20, 2002,I attended the Center for Disease Control’s (CDC) meeting of the Advisory Committee for Immunization Practices (ACIP) and listened to one and a half days of testimony prior to posting the recommendations for smallpox vaccination that are currently being considered by the CDC and the Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS.) Many testimonies and comments were presented by public participants and by various physicians and researchers associated with the CDC. Noting that two weeks have past since the June 20th meeting and the media has still not reported on this historic event, I decided it was imperative to report the content and outcome of this meeting to the general public. After reading this report you will gain a new perspective on smallpox and, hopefully, in the event of an outbreak, you will understand that you have nothing to fear.

Generally accepted facts
Nearly every article or news headliner regarding smallpox is designed to instill and continually reinforce fear in the minds of the general public. Apparently the goal is to make everyone demand the vaccine as soon as it is available and/or in the event of an outbreak. A very similar media campaign was developed prior to the release of the Salk polio vaccine in 1955.The polio vaccine had been in development for more than a year prior to its release and was an untested “investigational new drug,” just as the smallpox vaccine will be. The difference is that the potential side effects and complications of the smallpox vaccine are already known, and they are extensive.

Generally accepted facts about smallpox include:
1. Smallpox is highly contagious and could spread rapidly, killing millions
2. Smallpox can be spread by casual contact with an infected person
3. The death rate from smallpox is thought to be 30%.
4. There is no treatment for smallpox
5. The smallpox vaccine will protect a person from getting the disease

As it turns out, these “accepted facts” are not the “real facts.”

Myth 1: Smallpox is highly contagious
“Smallpox has a slow transmission and is not highly contagious,” stated Joel Kuritsky, MD, director of the National Immunization Program and Early Smallpox Response and Planning at the CDC. This statement is a direct contradiction to nearly everything we have ever heard or read about smallpox. However, keep in mind that this comes “straight from the horse’s mouth” and should be considered the “real story” regarding how smallpox is spread.

Even if a person is exposed to a known bioterrorist attack with smallpox, it doesn’t mean that he will contract smallpox. The signs and symptoms of the disease will not occur immediately, and there is time to plan. The infection has an incubation period of 3 to 17 days,[i] and the first symptom will be the development of a high fever (>101º F), accompanied by nausea, vomiting, headache, severe abdominal cramping and low back pain. The person will be ill and most likely bed-ridden; not out mixing with the general public.

Even with a fever, it is critically important to realize that at this point the person is still not contagious. In fact, the fever may be caused by something else, such as the flu.

However, if a smallpox infection is developing, the characteristic rash will begin to develop within two to four days after the onset of the fever. The person becomes contagious and has the ability to spread the infection only after the development of the rash. “The characteristic rash of variola major is difficult to misdiagnose,” stated Walter A. Orenstein, M.D., Director of the National Immunization Program (NIP) at the CDC. The classic smallpox rash is a round, firm pustule that can spread and become confluent. The lesions are all in the same stage of development over the entire body and appear to be distributed more on the palms, soles and face than on the trunk or extremities.

ACTION ITEM: In the event of an exposure, it is imperative that you do everything you can to improve the functioning of your immune system so that an “exposure” does not have to result in an “outbreak.”
a. Stop eating all foods that contain refined white sugar products, since sugar inhibits the functioning of your white blood cells, your first line of defense.[ii]
(There are many other health-conscious dietary considerations to consider, but that is beyond the scope of this article.)

b. Start taking large doses of Vitamin C. Vitamin C has been proven in hundreds of studies to be effective in protecting the body from viral infections,[iii]including smallpox.[iv] For an extensive scientific review on the us eof this nutrient and a “dosing recipe”, read “Vitamin C, The Master Nutrient, by Sandra Goodman, Ph.D. http://www.positivehealth.com/permit/Articles/Nutrition/vitcpre.htm

c. If you develop a fever, you still have time to plan. Purchase enough fresh, organic produce and filtered water to last three weeks. Move the kids to grandma’s or the neighbor’s house.

d. Remember: YOU MAY NOT GET THE INFECTION AND YOU ARE NOT CONTAGIOUS UNTIL YOUGET THE RASH!

Myth 2: Smallpox is easily spread by casual contact with an infected person
Smallpox will not rapidly disseminate throughout the community. Even after the development of the rash, the infection is slow to spread. “The infection is spread by droplet contamination and coughing or sneezing are not generally part of the infection. Smallpox will not spread like wildfire,” said Orenstein. He stated that the spread of smallpox to casual contacts is the “exception to the rule.” Only 8% of cases in Africa were contracted by accidental contact.

Transmission of smallpox occurs only after intense contact, defined as “constant exposure of a person that is within 6-7 feet for a minimum of 6-7 days.”[v] Dr. Orenstein reported that in Africa, 92% of all cases came from close associations and in India, all cases came from prolonged personal contact. Dr. Tom Mack from the University of Southern California stated that in Pakistan,27% of cases demonstrated no transmission to close associates. Nearly 37% had a transmission of only one generation, meaning that the second person to contract smallpox did not pass it onto the third person. These statistics directly contradict models that predict an exponential spread to millions.

Even without medical care, isolation was the best way to stop the spread of smallpox in Third World, population dense areas. With a slow transmission rate and an informed public, Mack estimated that the total number of smallpox cases in America would be less than 10, a far cry from the millions postulated by the press.

Dr. Kuritsky said at the CDC Public Forum on Smallpox on June 8 in St. Louis, “Given the slow transmission rate and that people need to be in close contact for nearly a week to spread the infection, the scenario in which a terrorist could infect himself with smallpox and contaminate an entire city by walking through the streets touching people is purely fiction.”

Point to ponder: Mass vaccination was halted in Third World countries because it didn’t work. In India, villages with an 88% vaccination rate still had outbreaks. After the World Health Organization began a surveillance and containment campaign, actively seeking cases of smallpox, isolating them in their homes, and vaccinating family members and close contacts, outbreaks were virtually eliminated within 2years. The CDC and the WHO organization attribute the eradication of smallpox to the
ring vaccination of close contacts. However, since the infection runs its course in 3-6 weeks, perhaps ISOLATION ALONE would have effectively accomplished the same thing.

Myth #3: The death rate from smallpox is 30%
Nearly every newspaper and journal article quotes this statistic. However, as pointed out in the presentation by Dr. Tom Mack, it appears that the “30% fatality rate” has come from skewed data. Dr. Mack has worked with smallpox extensively and saw more than 120 outbreaks in Pakistan throughout the early 1970s. Villages would apparently have “an importation” every 5-10 years, regardless of vaccination status, and the outbreak could always be predicated by living conditions and social arrangements. There were many small outbreaks and individual cases that never came to the attention of the local authorities.

Mack stated that even with poor medical care, the case fatality rate in adults was “much lower than is generally advertised” and thought to be 10-15%.He said that the statistics were “loaded with children that had a much higher fatality,” making the average death rate reported to be much higher. Amazingly, he revealed his opinion that even without mass vaccination, “smallpox would have died out anyway. It just would have taken longer.”

Even so, people died. Why? After all, smallpox is a skin disease and “other organs are seldom involved.”[vi] I posed this question to the committee on two separate occasions. Kathi Williams of the National Vaccine Information Center asked this question at the Institute of Medicine meeting on June 15th.On June 20, an answer was finally forth coming when a member of the ACIP committee said, “That is a good question. Does anyone know the actual cause of death from smallpox?”

At that point, Dr. D.A. Henderson, from the John Hopkins University Department of Epidemiology volunteered a comment. Dr. Henderson directed the World Health Organization's global smallpox eradication campaign (1966-1977) and helped initiate WHO's global program of immunization in 1974. He approached the microphone and stated, “Well, it appears that the cause of death of smallpox is a ‘mystery.’” He stated that a medical resident had been asked to do a complete review of the literature and “not much information” was found. It is postulated that the people died from a” generalized toxemia” and that those with the most severe forms of smallpox—the hemorrhagic or confluent malignant types—died of complications of skin sloughing, similar to a burn. However, he concluded by saying, “it’s frustrating, because we don’t really know.”

COMMENT: I find this to be extremely frightening. If we knew why people died when they contracted smallpox, perhaps current medical technology could treat the complications, making the death rate much lower. Considering that the last known case of smallpox in the U.S. was in Texas in 1949, continuing to report that smallpox has a 30% death rate is similar to saying that all heart attacks are fatal. Based on 1949 technology, that would be accurate reporting. But in 2002, all heart attacks are NOT fatal. Neither would smallpox have a mortality rate of 30%.

Myth #4: There is no treatment for smallpox
A more accurate statement is “there are no pharmaceutical drugs for the treatment for smallpox.” But they are working on that too. There are 274 antiviral drug compounds and testing is underway to see if one can be useful in the treatment of smallpox.[vii]One such drug is called hexadecylosypropyl-cidofovir (HDP-CDV). Not yet available for human use, it has been found to be 100 times more potent than its cousin, cidofovir, a drug used to treat retinal infections in HIV patients. If studies pan out, HDP-CDV will be offered in a pill or capsule form over 5-14 days for the prevention and treatment of people exposed to smallpox.[viii] Unfortunately, this drug is being developed in Europe and will most likely be kept out of the US market until long after the general public has been subjected to mass vaccination.

It is important to note that there are several different presentations of a smallpox infection. The most common is called “ordinary discrete” smallpox, occurring in more than 40% of the cases. The outbreak is seen as a small scattering of pustules distributed across the body. The person with this type of smallpox needs minimal medical care and the reported death rate is <10%.[ix]

For mild cases of smallpox, adequate hydration and anti-fever products are essential for comfort and maintaining a temperature below 102ºF. Keeping the skin clean to prevent secondary bacterial infections is also important. A 1927 Textbook of Medicine recommends applying gauzed soaked in carbolic acid to “decrease itching and prevent extensive scarring.”[x]Carbolic acid is used acutely for burns that tend to ulcerate and other skin conditions that cause burning or prickling pain. Homeopathic forms of carbolic acid are also available.

For the severe complications of smallpox, modern day treatment options are available. The hemorrhagic type of smallpox, occurring in approximately 3% of cases, presents as hypotensive shock and can be treated accordingly. In another 3% of serious cases, the confluent-type has extensive skin involvement. These patients can be treated the same as a burn patient. All severe cases need to be treated for dehydration and watched for signs of bacterial suprainfection.

Research done by Dr. Peter Havens, MS, MD from the Medical College of Wisconsin proposed that death from smallpox was due to multisystem organ failure, a complication of an untreated acute cytokine (inflammatory) response. Massive oxidative stress occurs, leading to free-radical damage in the kidneys and other internal organs. However, Dr. Havens estimates that modern medical technology would indeed decrease the death rate, to possibly as low as 2-3%.

COMMENT: The treatment of choice for severe free-radical stress is high dose intravenous Vitamin C. If conventional medicine would recognize the value of this treatment, they would also be forced to realize mass vaccination is simply not necessary.

Treating severely ill patients would require hospitalization and unfortunately, smallpox spreads the most quickly in the hospital setting due to poor isolation techniques. In addition, most patients in hospitals are ill and immunosuppressed by disease or medication, making them more susceptible to infection. Dr. Mike Lane, former director of the CDC’s smallpox eradication program in the 1970s, said severely ill smallpox patients could be treated in a suburban motel or remote government building. “You can bring care to the patient if you elect to use the Motel 6 on the edge of town” rather than put smallpox victims in a hospital where the disease could spread to patients with weakened immune systems.

Side bar with Dr. Mike Lane:
Dr. Lane and I had a private conversation during a coffee break. During his presentation, he had been adamant that those within the “first ring” would need to be mandatorily vaccinated with100% compliance. The “first ring” includes those that have had immediate, close contact with patients who had confirmed cases of smallpox. Lane stated that this was the only way that “ring vaccination would work.” When I questioned his definition of 100% compliance, he said,

>“Medical contraindications would not apply…there would be NO exceptions.

"I would rather vaccinate them and take my chances treating the potential complications. In India, we vaccinated everyone. The only medical contraindication was leprosy, and we sometimes vaccinated them. I’m sure that we killed a few people, but we did the best that we could.” Pressed the issue further by saying, “if the death rate really is 30% (which I doubt), doesn’t that mean the survival rate is 70%? Shouldn’t that person have the right to play the odds with his health if he chose to?” His answer was the same: “If the person is exposed, there will be NO exceptions, medical or otherwise. Those people in the first ring—regardless of health status MUST be vaccinated.”

That means that all people with medical contraindications—organ transplants, cancer, HIV, eczema and other skin conditions—would be vaccinated, even it was against their will and with the use of force, if necessary. He was quite the zealot about it; hopefully, in the event of a smallpox exposure, more reasonable minds will prevail.

Myth #5: The vaccine will keep me from getting the infection
Most people believe that all vaccines work to protect them, meaning that the vaccine will be clinically effective. What most people do not know is that vaccines have never been proven to protect them from getting the infection.

This little known fact is not only true for all vaccines, it is also true for the smallpox vaccine. Here are a few examples:

Chickenpox vaccine:
“No data exists regarding post-exposure efficacy of the current varicella vaccine.”
“Vaccinated persons have a less severe out break than unvaccinated”
(300vs. 50 lesions.)[xi]

Pertussis vaccine:
"The findings of efficacy studies have not demonstrated a direct correlation between antibody response and protection against pertussis disease.”[xii]

Smallpox vaccine:
“Neutralizing antibodies are reported to reflect levels of protection, although this has not been validated in the field.” [xiii]

Dr. Harold Margolis, Senior Advisor to the Director for Smallpox Planning and Response, stated in Atlanta that “the vaccine decreased the death rate among those vaccinated by ‘modifying the disease’, not by preventing infection.”

TAKE HOME POINTS:

1-Smallpoxis NOT highly contagious. You have time. Don’t panic.
2-Smallpoxis only spread by close contact of less than 6 feet for at least 6-7 days. You aren’t that close to coworkers or commuters.
3-Treatment for smallpox should be surveillance and containment, without vaccination.
4-Smallpoxis not highly fatal. There are treatments for smallpox.
5-The vaccine will not protect you from getting the infection. The vaccine has high complication rates, is an experimental drugand there are many contraindications. (Please see article at http://www.mercola.com/2002/jun/12/smallpox_update.htm)

Addendum:
As I was completing this report this morning, I read in the New York Times that the CDC plans to increase the number of “first responders” who receive the vaccination from 15,000 to 500,000.[xiv] Preparations are also underway for rapid mass vaccination of the general public. The more extensive vaccination plan is possible because supplies are increasing. As I have stated before, the government spent more than $780 million to develop its arsenal.

Now that we have it, we will use it.

In addition to medical first responders, a presentation at the June 20th meeting suggested that first responders should also include a class to be defined as “economic first responders,” those who would be necessary in keeping the economy moving in the event of a nationwide “lockdown” caused by an outbreak. This group would include pilots, truck drivers, food handlers, etc. It is the “etc.” that is of concern. Where do you draw the line? Obviously, the line will be drawn after Tommy Thompson’s vision of a “vaccine for every man, woman and child” has been fulfilled.

One of the major problems is the lack of vaccinia immune globulin(VIG), the “antidote” that is needed for those who experience a severe reaction to the vaccine. The Times article reports that there are only 700 doses currently available. Dr. Tom Mack, among others at the CDC warned that, “in the absence of VIG, extensive vaccination would be extremely dangerous.”

With the continued rhetoric regarding the US plans to go to war with Iraq, we are essentially taunting Saddam into launching a biological attack on our own people. We are not given an exact knowledge as to Saddam’s capability but are given euphemisms such as “reasonably high” or “quite high.” But we don’t know for sure. And if the government knows, it is not telling. And if Saddam does have biological smallpox, what is the chance he has other weapons of biological destruction, those for which we do not have a vaccine?

We are developing “grounds” for a war with Iraq in spite of the rest of the world telling us to stay out of there. I encourage all to spend some time on this site: www.globalpolicy.org forsome eye-opening information on policy that you won’t see in the popular press.

We are setting the stage for a health disaster unlike anything we have seen before in America, and it will be our own doing. World health records (England, Germany, Italy, the Philippines, British India, etc.) document that devastating epidemics followed mass vaccination. The worst smallpox disaster occurred in the Philippines after a 10 year compulsory US program administered 25 million vaccinations to its population of 10 million resulting in 170,000 cases and more than 75,000 deaths from ‘smallpox’, in a country having only scattered cases in rural villages prior to the onslaught of vaccines.[xv]

I received an excellent bulletin from Larken Rose (www.Theft-By-Deception.com)who is an activist regarding taxes. So much of what he said applies to the vaccine movement, that I got his permission to include part of his letter here. It is time to STAND AGAINST forced vaccination. Stop the hysteria! Information is power. However, after gaining power, you must ACT.

Here is something to inspire you:

More than 200 years ago, the people of this country chose to tell King George, not just that he was unreasonable, not just that they didn’t like him, not just that they had complaints about him, but that they were going to RESIST BY FORCE his tyrannical ways. The Declaration was not a threat to take King George to court; it was not a petition, or a request for fairness, or even a demand. It was a STATEMENT—a DECLARATION—that the people of America REFUSED TO TOLERATE the oppression, and were going to openly resist it, and didn’t give a damn what the King thought about it.

Though it may be politically incorrect to describe it this way, the Declaration of Independence was a bunch of people openly stating that they were going to IGNORE the law (not debate it or litigate it), and OVERTHROW their present government. (King George was not a foreign invader; he was "the government".) Again, in the words of the Declaration, "when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evidences a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is the people’s right, it is their duty, to throw off such government."

Where are the Americans who still have that attitude?

There are a few (very few), and most people consider them to be "fringe extremists." Where do YOU draw the line? What injustice would government agents have to commit, before YOU would openly resist? Is there a line for you? Or would you complain and bicker all the way to absolute tyranny?

"Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will. Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they have resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they suppress"
-Frederick Douglas
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This is a very different country today from what it was 226 years ago. We have become a country of sheep. We occasionally "baaa" at government injustice, but we do not ACT. For the most part, our “rebelliousness" now consists of pushing buttons in voting booths, to hopefully elect the less scummy of two lying scumbags (after a debate about which one is scummier).

For most people that is the extent of their resistance to government-imposed injustice. Each of us cowers in a corner for fear that we will be the next one that government makes an "example" of. While self-preservation is no sin, at some point a country of "self-preservers" will "preserve" itself into total submission to tyrants.

We are one step away from that now.

Once upon a time, a group of individuals declared to the world that they would fight and risk death, rather than tolerate the oppressions of an abusive government. Now, we are too comfortable for that. We are spoiled. We are cowards. For today’s battle, we need only the smallest fraction of the courage our fore fathers demonstrated.

We do not need to lie in the mud, squinting in the cold to see the rifle sites, waiting for the glimpse of British Troops that we know are headed our way just over the next ridge. We do not need to run into the open field, in heavy enemy fire, to retrieve our buddy who just had his leg blown off by a cannonball. We do not need to leave our families and friends to fight, and possibly to die. No, today the price for our freedom (at least a huge chunk of it) is a pittance compared to what others have paid, but I have my doubts about whether we are willing to pay even that.

What is that price? What do we need to do?

We need to just say NO by affirming the following:

I will overcome fear.

I will find ways to avoid becoming part of forced medical experimentation.

I will avoid being injected with an experimental new drug based on a “hunch” or based on something that happened hundreds or thousands of miles from where I live.

I will resist the government’s efforts to take away my right to do what I believe is best for my body

I will take personal responsibility for my health and for the health of my family.
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[i] JAMA, June 9, 1999; Vol. 281, No. 22, p 3132

[ii]Bernstein J et al. Depression of lymphocyte transformation following oral glucose ingestion. Am. J. of Clin. Nut. 1977;30:613

[iii] MurataA. Virucidal Activity of Vitamin C: Vitamin C for Prevention and Treatment of Viral Diseases. Proceedings of the First Intersectional Congress of Microbiological Societies, Science Council of Japan3:432-442. 1975.

[iv] KliglerIJ, Bernkopf H. Inactivation of Vaccinia Virus by Ascorbic Acid and Glutathione. Nature, vol. 139:pp.965-966. 1937

[v] Am. J.Epid. 1971; 91:316-326.

[vi] JAMA, June 9, 1999; Vol. 281, No. 22, p 2130

[vii] Leduc, James and Jahrling, Peter B. Strengthening National Preparedness for Smallpox: an Update. Emerging Infectious Diseases, Jan-Feb 2001, Vol. 7., No. 1

[viii]Highfield, Roger. New drug could conquer smallpox, http://www.news.telegraph.co.uik 3-21-02.

[ix] Datafrom Rao, 1972, quoted in Fenner Table 1.2

Blumgarten, A.S. “A Textbook of Medicine” for nursing students. 1927.

[xi] MMWR July 12, 1996/45(RR11); p. 12

[xii] MMWR March 28, 1997/Vol.46/No. RR-7, pg. 4

[xiii] JAMA, ibid. p 2131

[xiv] http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/07/national/07SMAL.html?todaysheadlines

[xv]Physician William Howard Hay's address of June 25, 1937; printed in the Congressional Record.

Dr. Sherri Tenpenny
Cleveland, Ohio
w-440-268-0897

Vee Smith · Moderator Joined: 12 Feb 2006 Posts: 566 Location: UK

So? You can always find something that matches your opinions if you look hard enough.

Smallpox has been eradicated. Nowhere in the world does it currently exist save in a laboratory. This was achieved by blanket vaccination. Do you really want to reverse this situation?

florist · Guest

Dear Vee - Did not mean to offend you - this is only a way to help educate us all. My hope was that others would add their findings, not that someone would get upset over research information I provide.

Autism has jumped from 1 in 200,000 to 1 in 150 and yes they know it has something to do with the vacinations. But is it the vacinations or is it our immune systems are dropping?

As a senior member your comment does not add to the information but shows contempt for another way of looking at health.

Maybe this will encourage you to try to show research that disproves everything I post. I hope so - as I would learn instead of wonder why you are so offended.

Vee Smith · Moderator Joined: 12 Feb 2006 Posts: 566 Location: UK

There is a lack of discrimination in such approaches. I have great respect for sensible and well-founded research into all methods of treatment, whether alternative, complementary or allopathic. I have very little respect for scaremongering and over-aggressive promotion of one-sided beliefs.

These forums are to help those who are suffering from cancers. Many are new and frightened and very confused. They want support, advice and to hear from people who have been through the same problems. Others have been through a great deal and have very considerable knowledge, and their knowledge is to the point.

Suggesting that vaccination programmes or fluoridation is at the root of this disorder does not help.

florist · Guest

They also want answers and just maybe one of the research post I have made will help. I am no stanger to the feelings of those with cancer and in fact I have experienced a great deal. My first response was to find help as the medical community was not giving any real answers.

Today, I lost my friend, a little boy who was the kindest little guy in the world. He was in my Sunday School class of eight to ten boys. So, if you hope I am discouraged by your posts - I am not as there must be better answers.

Please post things of research to help and not your oppinion of outside the box thinking. Who knows it may save a life.

florist · Guest

In 1980, smallpox vaccinations were discontinued worldwide.

I wanted to be sure to put this into this line of posts.

brainman

florist, two questions:

1. Why was smallpox vaccination discontinued? Answer: Not because the vaccine was dangerous but because samepox was practacually eliminated worldwide. It has only re-emerged as a health issue again since then.

2. Why do you continue to push after being warned to stop posting these types of messages? Answer: I do not know, but this is your second warning. Post about your own cancer or leave the forum to others wishing to talk about cancer.
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