diet as prevention

Kimc · Guest

I have recently met 2 gals (one with stage 4 melanoma and 1 with stage 4 breast ca) who have successfully gone on a total vegan diet. (one called it the ph miracle diet ..author is "young" I believe..the other the "halleluja diet" and I have no clue the source of this one) They both report they are in full remission; one for 25 years and one for 3 years. Neither one opted for chemo. They eat mostly raw veggies and whole grains. No dairy , sugar, white flour or yeast what so ever. They both look good and feel great. Have any of you heard of good results with this kind of diet? Kim

leo · Site Admin Joined: 23 Sep 2004 Posts: 1574

Kim

Thanks for your post. As with any unproven therapy for any disease, we have to see scientific tests done, trials, etc. Using only anecdotal case to support any therapy is dangerous. I would not count on diet helping to treat cancer by any means, though.

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story · Guest

I am a strong believer in diet and health and yes that includes cancer treatment. Husband has had prostate cancer and I bc. We eat no meat, dairy, or sugar. Husband was told his cancer had to be treated with Lupron with a psa of 60 it was not good. we went to a ND Dr for help and to date his psa is .03. My bc is in remission but I did have the usual posion, cut, burn. No money in diet for hospitals or Drs so it will never be researched. There is a whole world of treatments out there besides the ones that are used today.

ConcernedSon · Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:27 pm Post subject: Re: diet as prevention

Hi,

I just registered on this site to get some help on diagnosing my father, but I thought I'd poke around in this category since I am currently studying holistic nutrition and dietetics. I think it's great that diet has helped these individuals. I just wanted to list some things to be aware of in the vegan diet. Although I'm sure they've already studied the vegan diet. Being vegan you may not get enough nutrients unless you eat from all plant sources. This includes the categories, vegetables, grains, lentils, and nuts/grains. This balance should help the vegan obtain healthful quantities of most nutrients. In addition I would recommend supplementing B12. There are vegan supplements available. B12 deficiency, which can lead to anemia, can take years to surface, but when it does it is very serious.

To finish, this is a website you can not do without being vegan: http://www.vegansociety.com/

Cheers,

Mike

Midnight_Butterfly · Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 5:14 pm Post subject: Hi Kim

I've just gotten over ovarian cancer (they performed a laparotomy and took out one of the offending ovaries and tumour).

I've also been looking at diet as a preventative. For ovarian cancer prevention, it's suggested that women have:

Folic acid (need 400 micrograms a day so if you got a multivitamin that provided at least 200 you'd probably be okay),
Vitamin E seems to be key
Soymilk or soy products (soy sauce isn't counted)
Vitamin A
Betacarotene which you can get from orange and green veges.

Consume less meat, eggs and whole milk. * Make sure you get your proteins though - soy is good for this and calcium substitutes.

Experts suggest eating a diet high in fibre and plant foods (heaps of veges!).

Contraceptives:
Also, if you were to go on a combined-oral contraceptive tablet (like Microgynon), apparently that can help reduce your risks of ovarian cancer (believe it or not - that's what the doctors told me the other day and it's well documented).

Parenthood and Ovarian cancer:
The more often you're pregnant (no don't start farming babies!), the more likely you are to reduce your risks of ovarian cancer too.

Also, it seems breastfeeding after pregnancy is also very beneficial (not only to baby, but to you too!).

I hope that helps a bit.

jpugs · New User Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 1

The answer is in. A vast new epidemiolical study had been done on the relationship between cancer and diet. Read T. Colin Cambell's new book, THE CHINA STUDY. You can watch a talk which discussed breast cancer and diet by Campbell (he headed up the 20-year long study).

Watching these talks will be the best investment of your time you've ever made. (If the sound isn't loud enough coming from your computer, earphones are great.) When the files load, you can choose between Apple Quick Time player, or Windows Media Player. You can download either one free. I recommend Apple Quick Time for Campbell's talk.

Here's the URL: http://www.vegsource.com/video/colin.htm
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want2know · Regular Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 11

if we take care of what and how we eat, maybe we could avoid certain types of cancer that may develop at a later stage in our life.here is a link to some nutritional information about cancer.try the link:

www.imsickofbeingfat.com/forum/1101-nutrition-cancer.html

Vee Smith · Moderator Joined: 12 Feb 2006 Posts: 569 Location: UK

If you follow these forums and others, it becomes clear that vegans can and do develop cancers and that a good balanced diet is best at maintaining the body's immune system. Sometimes supplementation will be needed when the body's reserves have been depleted. There are cases where a cancer sufferer has held off development by careful diet, notably Michael Gearon-Tosh who followed the Gerson diet for years, but none of those who use these diets can ever truly say that their cancer is "cured". At best it is held in remission. Often I suspect that those who go over to a vegan diet have not been eating healthily in the first place.

one · New User Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 5

based on all my readings and research, i strongly believe there is a cure for cases caught in their early stages through natural means.. this includes a strict vegan diet in addition to extreme cardio training..

based on my understanding, cancer can be caused by a germ or something foreign to the immune system that is continually placed on its host continuously to cause for a mutation in the immune system to create more fighting cells then needed thereby resulting in a mutation or cancer cell.. if a person were to stop the unhealthy habits thereby neutralizing the source that causes cancer by switching diets and sticking to a dedicated exercise regime, is where i believe a natural means to healing exists.. does anyone remember hearing about that article of an individual that was diagnosed with terminal cancer, who then decided to switch to a vegan diet and ended up riding a bicycle everyday non-stop over a long period of time, in which resulted in the indivdual beating the cancer.. it is understood that all cases are different but the belief in diet & exercise should be considered a highly probably means of prevention and possibly reversing the onset of mutation.. there are not many case-studies that have been done to support this claim so its really hard to justify.. any physicians on these boards care to comment?

isidella · Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:01 am Post subject: Re: diet as prevention

Medical student here, so almost a physician.

From what i understand the immune system is constantly providing surveilence on the status of cells in your body. If a cell is damaged, mutated, and starting to divide out of control, the immune system should be able to contain the problem.

I have heard that the average person "gets cancer" six times a year on average and that the immune system keeps those cancers under control or destroys them. It is VERY important to have a healthy immune system. There are many studies showing that people who have no immune system (AIDS patients for example) get cancers at much higher rates than the rest of the population.

There are many different immune system cells and they recognize markers on the cancer cell surface. Many cancer cells have markers on them that are like signs reading "hey, I'm different from all of the cells around me!" The immune system will gobble up that strange cell.

Some cancer cells though, are sneaky and they look like normal cells. The immune system does not recognize that they are different. So, particularly evasive cancers may not be cured be taken care of my natural immunity.

The bottom line. Do your best to keep yourselves healthy. Know that there are many supplements out there that are called "immune boosters" that are just a waste of money. They can even cause more harm than good. Try to do as much reading as you can before buying a supplement to see if anyone was ever been harmed from it. There are liver transplant waiting lists with people on them right now who took certain supplements that really harmed them. (On the other hand, there are also people on those lists who took too much acetaminophen).

Eventually, allopathic medicine will further embrace alternative treatments, and with that will come experimentation and clinical trials to confirm the validity of many claims. There is so much that we "do not know" because the research has not been done. But if something is working for you, and not harming you, by all means keep it up. You know your own body.

I just want to add something. I was watching an infomertial about an "immune booster" that cures cancer that "doctors don't want you to know about." The salepeople kept saying that the FDA doesn't have it in the best interest of society to "cure" cancer. This is total BS.

Doctors, people on the FDA review boards, medical students, and presidents of hospitals die of cancer everyday! The medical establishment is not hiding a cure for cancer. Please know that.

one · New User Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 5

am i wrong for believeing that their is a high success rate for cureing some cancers.. ever since the DNA mapping and sequencing of the human genetic code, we now have the capabilities for cure.. maybe years ago, we may have not had the opportunities as we do today but we have come a long way since then.. okay so there are cases where cancer is unbeatable but what about cases involving an individual whom happens to be a VIP for a given country.. they could afford the best surgeons in the world along with technological advances most public health care could or would not be able to afford.. then the odds are in the individual's favor for a particular case scenario.. and this approach does not just apply toward cancer but many other diseases and/or illnesses that once were believed not-treatable..

back to the cause for cancer.. please correct me if im wrong, the immune system creates fighter cells that attack foreign agents or germs that the body does not recognize.. so these fighting cells are continually made by the immune system until the germs are destroyed.. but the cause for cancers to grow is when the germs or foreign agents are continually attacking the individual causeing an overabundance of fighter cells to be made by the immune system.. and it is here where cancer growth begins.. unless the source of the germs or infecting agents are neutralized then the overabundance of fighter cells will continue to be created by the immune system causing for mutations and cancer growth.. but then there is the issue of those cancer cells that are not detected by the immune system as someone else mentioned as evasive cells that look like normal cells.. now this is where technological advancements and DNA sequencing come in as a possible resolutiion..

even studies on molecular level to battle evasive cancers appear promising and keep in mind this report was way back in 1997 since i could not find an article up-to-date which may have already compromised resolution toward evasive cells;

here is the article if anyone is interested: [url]http://www.highbeam.com/library/docFree.asp?DOCID=1G1:19123469[/url][/url]

mannearth · New User Joined: 18 Jan 2007 Posts: 3

I am really convince that diet can help us to prevent cancer and even reversed it if we take on a diet full of veggies.
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netbucks1 · Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:14 pm Post subject: Re: diet in prevetion

[quote="story"]No money in diet for hospitals or Drs so it will never be researched. There is a whole world of treatments out there besides the ones that are used today.[/quote]

I know that this is true but research has been done. In UK there has been scientists conducting experiments and research into cancer and its causes for close to a century. They have come up with some alarming results relateing to metabolic deficiencies.

There is an audio by Phillip day, with reference to most of these scientists work, and it can be found at this website for free download http://www.net-bucks.net/health__fitness.htm

Or you can type Phillip Day into google and i think his website credience.org, or something similar comes up near the top.
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lethalpt · New User Joined: 27 Jan 2007 Posts: 7

Hi,

Diet is really important.Always make exercise too.Helps a lot.

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ElaineC · Regular Joined: 17 May 2005 Posts: 22 Location: UK

I wouldn't hold out too much hope on diet and exercise if I were you. I've been a vegetarian for 30 years, eating a wholefood, high fibre diet and yet two years ago I was diagnosed with bowel cancer. There's a lot of bowel cancer in my family and it seems the genes were stronger than my diet. In the ultimate irony in spite of living a much healthier life than my relatives who died from this disease I developed it around 10 years earlier than any of them did.

I also am a regular swimmer who was doing 1000 metres a day of the pool when I was diagnosed.

It makes me think that there are other more important factors at work here. Don't let this discourage anyone from taking up a more healthy diet but don't believe it will necessarily prevent cancer as I did. Sad

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